Hi Robert, the ASA 80 hour number is a recommendation, not an exact prerequisite. What really counts is getting enough experience to ensure that you have your ASA101/103 sailing skills and knowledge down. The amount of time this takes will depend on you. But no matter what, more experience is usually going to put you in a better spot come time to upgrade, so you should definitely get out there. The 104 class is designed to build on and advance the 101/103 skills (e.g., on sail trim/handling, anchoring, docking, nav/weather, etc). Lots of the 104 class also focuses on (bigger) boat systems (diesel engines, heads, galley) that you will need to understand for chartering, so getting out on some of the PSC Bay sails will also help prepare you for that.